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fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, children laughing ] move to the country, d live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. often comes with a set of equally impressive instructions ? shouldn't something that's
fiscal cliff? can't we call it something else? >> dana: sure. >> eric: monetary -- >> greg: liberal fantasy. >> bob: one more thing on the table. can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they...
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from republicans which are these tax cuts. >> rose: if they go off the fiscal cliff they do not reach a negotiation, a compromise by december 31st, who does the whitehouse think will get the blame? >> well i think it's not just the whitehouse charlie. the whitehouse and republicans are ultimately going to be blamed for this and that's why you're starting to see some fissures amongst republican rank and file you had today 40 house republicans signing a letter and saying they think all options should be on the table, including tax cuts and entitlements. it doesn't seem to be moving. house speaker john baron. but what it could ultimately do is start to lay the ground work for providing him cover to be able to back of of off his insistence they're not going to raise rates on top earners. what that letter shows i think that republicans are acknowledging that the president does have the leverage in these negotiations. over the summer privately republicans their aides were saying they didn't think the president would let it get to that point. he's chaffed because that's what she's shown to d
from republicans which are these tax cuts. >> rose: if they go off the fiscal cliff they do not reach a negotiation, a compromise by december 31st, who does the whitehouse think will get the blame? >> well i think it's not just the whitehouse charlie. the whitehouse and republicans are ultimately going to be blamed for this and that's why you're starting to see some fissures amongst republican rank and file you had today 40 house republicans signing a letter and saying they think...
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>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were on the ballot in the same election? strom thurmond, of course, and the longest serving junior senator perhaps in the history of america, fritz hollings. senator thurmond won re-election and hollings, the form earp governor at the time, won a special to fill a seat left empty when johnston died. we'll be right back. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's no
>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were...
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like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes or no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas if they're not really trying to work together there are three business channels running twenty four hours a day and it's good news nothing else is happening we're already caught in one so we move on and we just talk about the fiscal cliff correct i always carry everybody everybody in their system even though nothing's really going to change because the economy sucks anyway oh i think it'll change i just don't think they're going to i think about whether or not americans are worried about the fiscal cliff the bottom line is the media is milking the crap out of the phrase while realistically nothing
like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes or no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas if...
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is the fiscal cliff really a fiscal slope. a downward spiral to something much worse. the possibility of going off the cliff is just 22 days away, and it sounds pretty ominous, but it could be a walk in the part compared with what could happen if lawmakers don't take a closer look at our bigger debt picture and soon. because what they're talking about is peanuts. president obama was in michigan today pushing his fiscal cliff plan. he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it all together, what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class familiefamilies, w some tough spending cuts on things we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> but not so fast, mr. president. we need a little more than you're talking about. president obama says his plan reduces the deficit by $4 trillion over ten years. forget the fact it counts war savings which shouldn't count. let's go with the $4 trillion. john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over ten years. you shouldn't be comparing those two nu
is the fiscal cliff really a fiscal slope. a downward spiral to something much worse. the possibility of going off the cliff is just 22 days away, and it sounds pretty ominous, but it could be a walk in the part compared with what could happen if lawmakers don't take a closer look at our bigger debt picture and soon. because what they're talking about is peanuts. president obama was in michigan today pushing his fiscal cliff plan. he made the solution sound so simple. >> when you put it...
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when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us. >> what you risk about allowing them to fight with each other is going over the fiscal cliff and plunging us into another recession. when i say put gas on the fire, we cannot sit here and wait for them to self-destruct. it does not get the job done in washington. what gets the job in washington is standing up loud and proud and look at what they're doing to us. if we don't do that, we will squander another opportunity to show the american people that democrats are doing what is right for the working class in this country, and republicans are standing in the way to protect the tax cuts-- >> and that's the democrat's
when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us....
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like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom that and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas people fall into a trip when it comes to reelecting. people that don't do their job. yeah which is all of them you know in a word yes yes they're much more concerned with their own agendas and their own you know ties that they were already got there used to be there was a thought at one time that the incumbent should never be reelected and that doesn't mean anyone at the top or the bottom one should be everyone should have one term and that's it if they're not really trying to work together there are three business channels we're in twenty four hours a day and it's good news nothing else is h
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congress scurrying around still trying to get something going on the fiscal cliff. and the latest poll shows that 2/3 of americans including a majority of democrats republicans and independents all say that congressional leaders meaning republicans should compromise so we can avoid going over the fiscal cliff. that means republicans must give up their insistence that the bush tax cuts continue for the wealthiest of americans because it ain't gonna happen. the president's not going to sign the bill and the american people don't want to give them a continued tax break. they think they ought to pay more. so let's just get it done and then go home and celebrate the holidays. hey, good to have you with us. we'll talk about all of that and get all of latest including what's happening out in the state of michigan. but first, we take time out for today's current news update. lisa ferguson's got it out in los angeles. hi, lisa. good morning. >> hey bill. good morning everyone. americans are calling for a major overhaul of the republican party. especially when it comes to the
congress scurrying around still trying to get something going on the fiscal cliff. and the latest poll shows that 2/3 of americans including a majority of democrats republicans and independents all say that congressional leaders meaning republicans should compromise so we can avoid going over the fiscal cliff. that means republicans must give up their insistence that the bush tax cuts continue for the wealthiest of americans because it ain't gonna happen. the president's not going to sign the...
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the practical side those members not at the table negotiating things like the fiscal cliff and the role is something to vote on and so getting back to their districts, some of them say to you having a chance to talk with voters at home is valuable. many of them have fairly packed schedules for events at home but then you have to weigh it against the appearance of people leaving the capitol and does that suggest to people at home they aren't really as nose to the grindstone as they might be? it's an eye of the beholder moment and when you talk about a lame duck congress, here we are with many of these members waiting to have their new colleagues come in this january and tackle some of the big problems and looming deadlines. how do they shake it snout over time we have seen that the lake duck sessions are sometimes not very productive. not a lot going on. but we're certainly heavily focused on it in the last couple of weeks because of the huge problems that need to be tackled. one of the big issues is anybody really talking about what to do with the fiscal cliff other than news conference
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the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you looked at each approach, what do you see in that? >> well, i think it's important. i think the reporting has been a little weak on the republ
the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding...
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the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very different era. do you agree with eric's take? is the right strategy for republicans to stick to their guns, forget about compromise? >> no. i really don't -- eric is one of my favorite people. we talk a lot. but i think that, and i did work for the speaker gingrich during the shut-down fight in '96, and it did not work out well for republicans. the president has a much bigger bully pulpit than the speaker does. newt gingrich's bully pulpit was pretty big back in those days but at some point, republicans in the house -- and i think boehner is trying to look for ways to do this, speaker boehner,
the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very different era. do you agree with...
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is this something that can work out. like they did it wall street before the fiscal cliff hits? if we could rebuild when we're in such bad shape. host: thank you, judy. guest: repaying the money that was barred from social security. -- borrowed from social sec urity. that money will be repaid unless congress does something different. think about the $2.7 trillion as spending authority for the social security administration. they can pay full benefits under the law. that money will be paid back over time unless congress changes something. putting more revenue money into social security, right now the appetite in congress is to cut spending. that might be a difficult sell. one reason the program is popular is it is self funded through payroll taxes. there's been a temporary cut in payroll taxes over the past two years. to change the funding of the nature could be done. advocates worry about the consequences of that and making it compete with other dollars with other government programs. congress doesn't touch it and still stays there. if it is competing for scarce dollars, it is m
is this something that can work out. like they did it wall street before the fiscal cliff hits? if we could rebuild when we're in such bad shape. host: thank you, judy. guest: repaying the money that was barred from social security. -- borrowed from social sec urity. that money will be repaid unless congress does something different. think about the $2.7 trillion as spending authority for the social security administration. they can pay full benefits under the law. that money will be paid back...
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you know, as we're approaching this fiscal cliff thing obviously everybody's talking about oh we've gotta cut the entitlements like medicare. you've been pointing out something for awhile that we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. explain please, healthcare geek. >> this is one of the things people should really pay attention to because the healthcare crisis in this country gets so complicate and convoluted that people tune it out and then the republicans have this incredible opportunity to swoop in and make stuff up. we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. there is no competition in the healthcare market place right now. >> stephanie: right. >> okay. and people make money in the healthcare industry when prices go up. >> right. >> corporations make money when prices go up. we're talking about medical device manufacturers, drug companies, health insurance companies, they all make money the higher the prices are. they have no incentive to work for the public good. their incent sieve to make money for shareholders. higher prices in
you know, as we're approaching this fiscal cliff thing obviously everybody's talking about oh we've gotta cut the entitlements like medicare. you've been pointing out something for awhile that we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. explain please, healthcare geek. >> this is one of the things people should really pay attention to because the healthcare crisis in this country gets so complicate and convoluted that people tune it out and then the republicans...
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this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still there will be no decreases in social security, medicare and veteran's benefits. defense spending would take a big hit, but because of a windown in afghanistan some military leaders are asking for less than congress is willing to shell out. from 1990 to 1999 defense spending decreased by 1% a year. this weakened military is nonsense. jim we have like what 27,000 times to blow up the country with the next amount of nukes. >> and we still have massive armies in europe protecting them from a massive soviet union. >> yeah. >> korea is another issue -- we do need people there. >> stephanie: right, but he points out who is behind all of this fiscal cliff cage rattling. the rich and their f
this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still there will be no decreases in social security, medicare and veteran's benefits. defense spending would...
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the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> stephanie: it is outlandish. it is what he ran on. it is outlandish he proposed doing it. >> the next thing will be a debt ceiling fight. let's be very clear. the debt ceiling is about money we have already spent in large part due to the continuing afghanistan war and the iraq war. this is money -- >> tax cuts for rich people. >> right right. and medicare part d but the point is it is money we've already spent based on republican policies going on for eight years. this is money that's already due that we're making payments on. >> stephanie: speaking of the tax cuts, george w. bush gave a speech yesterday. >> oh, nice. >> people listened? was it a learning appear ex thing? annex thing? >> stephanie: it was hosted by the george w. bush institute. one of the bush institutes' focuses is economic growth. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> he might need some bifocals on that focus. >> stephanie: he said his u.s. debates policy, we should do
the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> stephanie: it is outlandish. it is what he ran on. it is outlandish he proposed doing it. >> the next thing will be a debt ceiling fight. let's be very clear. the debt ceiling is about money we have already spent in large part due to the continuing afghanistan war and the iraq war. this is money -- >> tax cuts for rich people. >> right right....
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cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many had thought, and, certainly, it is not worth making bad policy that will have m r much longer range -- will have much longer range implications. the second issue, another kind of artificial date has been in law for decades, and congress periodically as a part of debate over whether to extend it. it's app interesting debate. there really is no option. you either extend it or you default. default really shouldn't be an option, and it's something that should be avoided at all costs. we put this quick little date in there so that we can have the debate, have a vote, and then extend the debt ceiling as we know we have to. that's fine we have the issue of the debt and deficit in the long run. the issues of real importance because, one, we don't account for our expenditures the way businesses do, the way individuals have to. we get toking the for -- to account for them and ignore many of the long term implications, and if we put them in, it increases the amount of debt that we owe and have promised dray mat -- dramatica
cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many had thought, and, certainly, it is not worth making bad policy that will have m r much longer range -- will have much longer range implications. the second issue, another kind of artificial date has been in law for decades, and congress periodically as a part of debate over whether to extend it. it's app interesting debate. there really is no option. you either extend it or you default. default really shouldn't be an option,...
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>> well, this whole fiscal cliff melodrama is a bit artificial because congress created this deadline for itself and doesn't seem able to fix. but these groups have a serious message and they're asking congress to something very difficult so using a alan simpson gangnam style video and tweeting certain groups, there was a treat about the impact the automatic tax hike would have on latino families, these are ways in which these groups are trying to hone their message so they can get people mobilized, put pressure on the white house or the congress or both to act here. >> and the campaign is called the millennial campaign. >> woodruff: so it's engaging people who wouldn't be part of these kinds of debates. very interesting. we had another big important user on twit they are week. someone already who already has 1.2 billion followers before he ever joined twitter and that's the pope who is out there. he sent his first tweet today. "dear friend, i am pleased to get in touch with you through twitter, talk for your generous response. i bless all of you from my heart." he's now tweeted seven
>> well, this whole fiscal cliff melodrama is a bit artificial because congress created this deadline for itself and doesn't seem able to fix. but these groups have a serious message and they're asking congress to something very difficult so using a alan simpson gangnam style video and tweeting certain groups, there was a treat about the impact the automatic tax hike would have on latino families, these are ways in which these groups are trying to hone their message so they can get people...
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as far as the fiscal cliff. were talking about using something is coming, you think that is good news. >> there is always the inside game and the outside game. they will talk to their base and their constituents. they have to get something by the 18th which is next tuesday so they can vote an on it. the matter what it is, something will be coming out of there. nicole: something will be better than nothing out of washington. that is the latest. he sounds pretty happy at least at the moment. today he is positive. tracy: here is a glass half full. we will take it. ashley: thanks, guys. looking at the old tea leaves of what is going to happen with speaker boehner taking the house floor with 20 days until we fall off the fiscal cliff he says it is time for president obama to get serious. really? rich edson in d.c. for all of this. >> actually somebody has to be positive, right? in d.c. we are not getting it right now. sources are looking at these meetings and saying there is essentially no move in it the last couple
as far as the fiscal cliff. were talking about using something is coming, you think that is good news. >> there is always the inside game and the outside game. they will talk to their base and their constituents. they have to get something by the 18th which is next tuesday so they can vote an on it. the matter what it is, something will be coming out of there. nicole: something will be better than nothing out of washington. that is the latest. he sounds pretty happy at least at the...
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cliff and the negotiations that the letter can be sent and it wouldn't draw greta's attention. >> greta: does senator harry reid have the authority to delay the imp levellation? >> no, this is something that they definitely have to ask the departments and agencies not to implement. >> greta: does this go to hhs? >> i am guessing. who is it addressed to? >> greta: harry reid. the fix is in for the medical device community, i am going to say it. they want a special deal. they have gone to the democratic senators and now suddenly, they want a special deal out of it -- it's appalling. >> we don't add up all the taxes that are coming. the more -- that's why we repealed it and the whole health care bill -- >> greta: one of the taxes is the estate tax, that's the poor farmer who wants to give his farm or ranch to his heirs. >> you know that's a personal story with me. >> greta: oh, yeah. indeed, it is. >> what this is going to do, if we allow this to expire to go to a $1 million and 55% rate, 70% our farms in south dakota will be hit -- >> greta: but you problem is, you don't have a lobbyist.
cliff and the negotiations that the letter can be sent and it wouldn't draw greta's attention. >> greta: does senator harry reid have the authority to delay the imp levellation? >> no, this is something that they definitely have to ask the departments and agencies not to implement. >> greta: does this go to hhs? >> i am guessing. who is it addressed to? >> greta: harry reid. the fix is in for the medical device community, i am going to say it. they want a special...
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the stock market took its cues once again from washington and the rhetoric over the fiscal cliff. it was the fifth straight session of gains, with the buyers out at the opening bell. the index lost some momentum around 2:30 eastern time, something traders blame on comments from senate majority leader harry reid. reid said it would be extremely difficult to get legislation averting the fiscal cliff through the senate before christmas. with today's seven-tenths of a percent gain, it brings the index back to a level last seen on election day. for the year, its up 13.5%. trading volume increased to 691 million shares; just over 1.9 billion shares on the nasdaq. the technology sector was back in the leader position, up 1.4%. health care and telecommunications were up 1%. with the tech sector up, apple was helping out as it rebounded a little from its recent sell- off, but on lighter volume. shares rose 2.1%. piper jaffray's apple analyst predicts a more steady stock rally next year, and he's sticking with his $900 price target. it was a pair of business software firms that had the best
the stock market took its cues once again from washington and the rhetoric over the fiscal cliff. it was the fifth straight session of gains, with the buyers out at the opening bell. the index lost some momentum around 2:30 eastern time, something traders blame on comments from senate majority leader harry reid. reid said it would be extremely difficult to get legislation averting the fiscal cliff through the senate before christmas. with today's seven-tenths of a percent gain, it brings the...
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wall street is keeping a close eye on fiscal cliff talks. mcdonald's is up. apple and aig down. we should mention that today it's expected to be one of the busiest online shopping days of the holiday season as you get in those last times to get deals in so that you know for sure it gets there by christmas. >>> well, for a deal already rejected with by congress, oh, yeah, there's the music, it may be unusual that we still hear so much about the simpson-bowles plan. it's a plan no one will vote on. it's come to represent what could have been. today a deep dive into the elusive grand bargain captured in the simpson-bowles plan. first the outlines of a deal between president obama and speaker boehner. as we've told you, you take the two positions we're looking at between $800 billion and $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue. enough savings to hold off the sequester. compare that to the simpson-bowles proposal and you'll see a big difference. as a starting point the plan would allow the bush tax cuts to expire for everybody. it proposes tax reform that would produce another trillion in t
wall street is keeping a close eye on fiscal cliff talks. mcdonald's is up. apple and aig down. we should mention that today it's expected to be one of the busiest online shopping days of the holiday season as you get in those last times to get deals in so that you know for sure it gets there by christmas. >>> well, for a deal already rejected with by congress, oh, yeah, there's the music, it may be unusual that we still hear so much about the simpson-bowles plan. it's a plan no one...
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the cliff is something we are approaching now and we can see where it is. we know will hit the cliff. the avalanche is different. the only thing you know about avalanches, you know when the conditions are present. you know when the snowpack has built up to the point where it could happen. you do not know when it is going to happen, you just know it is coming. once it hits you, the avalanche becomes completely impossible to control. do you agree with this characterization about the avalanche? could you elaborate about that kind of threat? >> would you mind if i steal that from you? i will give you credit. i think it is right. i do think -- that is why what you're doing now is so important. this is a once in a generation opportunity for you to nail these things down. we're not that far apart. i really do not think we are. if you are able to put us on a credible path to fiscal sustainability, do it in a balanced way, i think we are golden. i think we will avoid that avalanche. if we do not do that, ultimately, it means we will never do it until we're forced by
the cliff is something we are approaching now and we can see where it is. we know will hit the cliff. the avalanche is different. the only thing you know about avalanches, you know when the conditions are present. you know when the snowpack has built up to the point where it could happen. you do not know when it is going to happen, you just know it is coming. once it hits you, the avalanche becomes completely impossible to control. do you agree with this characterization about the avalanche?...